CNBC: Joining us now, Mona Mahajan, head of investment strategy at Edward Jones. Reading some of your comments, Mona, it’s like we're watching it play out, and I think you can give us some good insight. I mean, overall, the earnings that we’ve just seen – I guess we're about halfway through – used to think, I guess the estimate was 7%. It’s been more like 12%, but 30% in tech, which is pretty good. But in recent sessions we have seen traders or investors decide that maybe they should look elsewhere in terms of valuation. At least, that’s what it appears to be.
Mona Mahajan: I think it’s been a tough week for those investors that were exposed to the parts of the market that have really led to the upside. Think about technology, AI. But also more recently we’ve seen gold and precious metals sell off. We’ve seen the Bitcoin crypto space sell off. I’d say, broadly, if we take a step back, we still feel pretty good about the direction of the U.S. economy. We think it’s growing above trend. We feel pretty good – to your point about earnings – we think still double‑digit earnings this year, which underpins stocks. But we do think you have to start thinking about diversification more prudently, more seriously. Parts of the market that have held up well – value, cyclical, market caps in small‑cap and mid‑cap. And then, of course, when you look regionally, EM and international have held up better as well. So, there is an opportunity out there. We think it’s just a diversified opportunity.
CNBC: Valuation is never necessarily a reason to see an imminent sell‑off in anything. But in hindsight, after the sell‑off finally does happen, there were always some little clues. And you don't know what's going to cause it. Earnings might continue to be good, but it could be, well, there's this little wrench in the works here, or margins here, or something that you don't even know in hindsight what’s going to do it. But the bubble does – some air is coming out of all those leaders.
Mona Mahajan: Yeah. You know, I think it’s interesting. I think some of the business models are shifting. So certainly we’re seeing: could AI cannibalize itself in the software space? But also, a lot of the large‑cap tech space was asset‑light. It’s going from asset‑light to asset‑heavy. It was debt‑free; now we’re seeing more debt on the balance sheet.
CNBC: We're talking about that.
Mona Mahajan: So yeah, could margins get compressed a bit? Could valuation get compressed a bit more? I think there are question marks. The good news is growth is still tremendous. But the pace of growth – that second derivative – is slowing a bit.
CNBC: And then you mentioned earnings growth – double‑digit probably again this year. So if you were to assume that interest rates stay where they are or go down, you might not think there'd be a problem with multiples necessarily. So you could just say, all right, 15%, 12% earnings growth – that would translate to 12% in the S&P. But we can't guarantee rates are coming down. In fact, if inflation – if we’re underestimating that – we may not get any more rate relief, and rates could act on the long end, could actually go up like they have.
Mona Mahajan: Yeah. You know, look, I think new Fed chair in place in May – we will see what the direction of travel is.
CNBC: A hawkish Fed chair. More hawkish.
Mona Mahajan: Probably the least dovish out of the four options. But nonetheless, I do think there is a case still for one to two rate cuts this year. To your point, if inflation settles even around 2.5% or so, historically the Fed has tried to bring rates about 100 basis points lower.
CNBC: What if it doesn’t settle?
Mona Mahajan: If it goes to 2.5% to 3%, we still think a 3.5% fed funds rate makes sense here. To your point though, the long end is not controlled by the Fed – the short end is. And we could see a yield curve that starts to steepen. But all that being said, the U.S. economy has held up pretty well even in an environment where rates were probably 3.5% to 4%. So we think anything below that could support the consumer and support consumption of corporations as well.
CNBC: Played out. It… 1980, 1800. Okay, so I understand it goes up. Most years it goes up, but some years it actually closes lower. What could cause a down market this year?
Mona Mahajan: Yeah. You know, I think certainly when we look underneath the surface – to your point: S&P returns are driven by two factors – valuation expansion and what earnings growth does. If earnings growth, we think, is in that 10% range, that's fine. But multiple expansion — we think there are parts of the market that probably have more scope for expansion than others. And so probably value, cyclical could continue to perform well. If we see multiples come under pressure in the tech space, we could see a negative year – by the way, the first out of three years in the tech space. But we think parts of the market continue to hold up well. And we would look internationally a bit. We would look beyond just large‑cap.
CNBC: There’s always trade issues. China, Ukraine. I can worry about a lot of things – bird flu, I don’t know. There’s pandemics, there’s nuclear. There’s so many things – Iran – there’s a lot of things that…
Guest: Or you could slip and fall on the–
CNBC: Sidewalk. Or you could get killed by a vending machine. If you’ve got to get – you know, you put your money in and it's stuck. There’s a lot of things that can happen. You don't think… black swan – you have shark.
Mona Mahajan: Yeah. You know, look, unknown…
CNBC: Unknowns don’t come on land. Although there was a movie where they do, remember?
Guest: That shark tornado.
CNBC: Yeah. Sharknado. So it's possible – unknown.
Mona Mahajan: Unknown for sure. But look, I think the big picture here is: typically what causes a bear market is two things – one, a recession on the horizon; or two, the Fed raising rates rapidly. And neither of those seem in the cards for now. So I do think the backdrop to us still remains relatively benign. And so I think, to your point, a lot of headline noise, a lot of “squirrel” this year – politics, geopolitics – but the fundamentals are where we’re focused.
CNBC: Thank you.
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